Curse

poasiods · May 05, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24

I'm sure everyone knows how little effort it takes now days to earn Legendary Survivor title, especially with necros running around and getting it within 10 hours or so.

I have personally been attempting to gain this title by purely means of doing missions and quests for last 7 months. Frankly, it pisses me off to see so little effort taken into achieving a title which actually should be incredibly nerve-wrecking and time consuming.

I initially imagined how it'd be if Legendary Survivor required players to complete all the missions in the game without dying. Although it'd definitely encourage people running others through the mission, it's still more effort than 55/SS farming and it's not exactly easy to run through some missions.

Then, not everyone owns all 3 chapters of Guild Wars. Well, titles like Defender of Elona are also only available to those owning specific chapters, but I feel Survivor Title is a different story. Then again, People Know Me titles pretty seem to require owning of all 3 chapters and GWEN. Anyways, I thought up of following three options...

1. Survivor Title is dependent on experience but it is also affected by the number of chapters you have completed. Say, a player must be level 20 and have completed all missions in one chapter without dying to be Survivor. The player must have 587,500 experience and have completed all the missions in two chapters without dying to be Indomitable Survivor. Finally, the player must have gained 1,337,500 experience and completed every mission in all three chapters without dying to become a Legendary Survivor.

2. Create new title with requirements just like the ones mentioned in (1.) except for the experiences.

3. Make it so that becoming legendary survivor requires completing all missions in a campaign as well as 200 unrepeated quests (No Kilroy). The experience requirement probably should still be remained. This feels weak though. It's not really hard going through prophecies or factions and not dying.

Seriously doubt this would be implanted but one may dream.

Gift3d · May 05, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35

Even IF an idea such as the ones you stated were implemented (except the entirely new title idea), there'd still be the hundreds of talentless title grinders who HFF/kilroy'd their Survivor, so it'd still be the same prestige-less title it is now. Survivor's basically just an extra really easy title to have towards KoaBD now.

Alex the Great · May 05, 2008, 09:53 PM // 21:53

nope, that means that you would be taking away the ability for some people to get survivor, which is stupid.

and you don't need every campaign to get the first couple levels of KoaBD, people had it before the campaigns where realesed, and it can be done now.

Gift3d · May 05, 2008, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by Alex the Great

nope, that means that you would be taking away the ability for some people to get survivor, which is stupid.

and you don't need every campaign to get the first couple levels of KoaBD, people had it before the campaigns where realesed, and it can be done now.

...if by "some" you mean "entirely talentless".

MithranArkanere · May 05, 2008, 10:18 PM // 22:18

As something that cannot be retried again anytime, it's an aberration in GW.
A vestige from old times and old ways.

Whatever it is they way, it must be fair with those that already have the title, but without having to re-roll characters to retry it again.

You ways are not like that.

Tyla · May 05, 2008, 10:35 PM // 22:35

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

Even IF an idea such as the ones you stated were implemented (except the entirely new title idea), there'd still be the hundreds of talentless title grinders who HFF/kilroy'd their Survivor, so it'd still be the same prestige-less title it is now. Survivor's basically just an extra really easy title to have towards KoaBD now.

The better your computer and internet connection, the easier it is to get it.

Ancient Menace · May 05, 2008, 10:43 PM // 22:43

Everyone stop trying to change the survivor title. If you don't like the way it is, don't get it.

Stop trying to change the survivor title.
STOP trying to change the survivor title.
STOP TRYING to change the survivor title.
STOP TRYING TO change the survivor title.
STOP TRYING TO CHANGE the survivor title.
STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THE survivor title.
STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THE SURVIVOR title.
STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THE SURVIVOR TITLE!

Clear enough?

snaek · May 05, 2008, 10:44 PM // 22:44

most titles r already very easy to get
if ur getting titles to feel more "1337" than others...
than ur gettin em for teh wrong reason

besides, wut of the ppl who already have legendary survivor?
do u expect anet to take the title away?

if not...then ppl will qq sayin, "survivor title is sooo hard to get now...all the ppl before had it so easy...its not fair"

Dallcingi · May 05, 2008, 10:47 PM // 22:47

I dont like the idea...
If you survived for X amount of time and have X amount of exp then you deserve the title.

El Presidente · May 05, 2008, 10:51 PM // 22:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ancient Menace

Everyone stop trying to change the survivor title. If you don't like the way it is, don't get it.

Stop trying to change the survivor title.
STOP trying to change the survivor title.
STOP TRYING to change the survivor title.
STOP TRYING TO change the survivor title.
STOP TRYING TO CHANGE the survivor title.
STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THE survivor title.
STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THE SURVIVOR title.
STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THE SURVIVOR TITLE!

Clear enough?

that pretty much says it all...no matter how many threads there have been or will be about this.

poasiods · May 05, 2008, 11:03 PM // 23:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ancient Menace

Everyone stop trying to change the survivor title. If you don't like the way it is, don't get it.

Stop trying to change the survivor title.
STOP trying to change the survivor title.
STOP TRYING to change the survivor title.
STOP TRYING TO change the survivor title.
STOP TRYING TO CHANGE the survivor title.
STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THE survivor title.
STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THE SURVIVOR title.
STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THE SURVIVOR TITLE!

Clear enough?

No, because you aren't giving a reason why it should stay the same and simply copying and pasting the same sentence with increasing capitalization, which must've taken some creative and effort to pull off.

I suppose I was writing more as a ranting than a serious suggestion. Does no one else see anything wrong with the title then? Well, at least the way it is achieved nowadays. With all the complaints about Guild Wars being Grind Wars, this seems to be one of the main representations of what the gameplay has turned into.

Such aspects of the game pretty much buried my first idealization of Guild Wars (No grinding, no farm, etc) alive.

Ancient Menace · May 05, 2008, 11:10 PM // 23:10

Here's a reason, then. We, as a community, are pretty damn tired of hearing "waaah I can't get/don't want/don't like the way that XXX title is achieved/displayed/too easy/too hard". We're sick of it, especially in regards to the survivor title.

As for my "creative and effort" (??) it's the only way to get the point through to people like you. It made you notice; therefore it served it's purpose.

Not quite getting the support you thought you would in this thread, are you.

poasiods · May 05, 2008, 11:40 PM // 23:40

So you think what you posted up there was a legitimate way of explaining that Survivor Title already had its share of discussion?

As nice of you as it is to voluntarily represent the whole Guild Wars Guru community as whole and be so apt at judging people after reading two posts by them, you really aren't saying anything other than that you're tired of seeing this topic.

Don't feel obliged to click on this topic if you're sick of hearing about it. If no one shows interest, surely it'll die unless someone else brings it up again. I'm sorry that you, for some reason, can't contain yourself when you see these topics over and over again, but all you did in this thread is tell people to stop posting about survivor titles in the rudest way possible with no reasoning or insight.

legion_rat · May 05, 2008, 11:52 PM // 23:52

Survivor is about Xp vs Death toll. Simple. It always has been. Before EotN it was only marginally more difficult. It depends on the proffession on how hard it is to earn. I can do it on a ranger in about 3 days, for first tier. I have twice just to prove I could. As for the other ranks, people seem to do it fairly well.

From what I learned gaining it. go with decent skills. elites are not needed. I also start in factions, very easy to get to 11 or higher fast and with out deaths. The rest to first tier is easy. take guildies if you can, avoid pugs at all costs. I dont think the change is needed because it limits people who do not possess all of the games. Survivor was a get to 20 with no deaths thing. There were many people who did this waaaay before the title just to try and do it.

You talk about how much trouble you are having getting the title now and you want to make it harder? Explain that reasoning.

~the rat~

Ancient Menace · May 06, 2008, 12:16 AM // 00:16

Your first mistake is believing that I owe you an explanation. I don't. If you didn't want people to disagree with you, you probably shouldn't have posted here. And I'll feel free to judge someone via two forum posts if I like. If you sound like a whiny little bit** the first two times I ever read what you wrote, then you're probably a whiny little bit** the next 200 posts. It's called generalization, and it's usually pretty accurate.

Second, I believe that my views are representative of the community. In fact, I think that the response that you've gotten in this thread has proven my point. Just because you don't like the way that I said it doesn't make it not true.

Third;

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Originally Posted by poasiods

Don't feel obliged to click on this topic if you're sick of hearing about it.

Likewise. Don't feel obliged to post a fix the Survivor title if you don't like the way it's achieved.

Quote:

Frankly, it pisses me off to see so little effort taken into achieving a title which actually should be incredibly nerve-wrecking and time consuming.

You honestly believe that a game should be "nerve-wrAcking and time consuming"?? Have fun explaining that one.

kazjun · May 06, 2008, 12:18 AM // 00:18

/unsigned

Title is about getting xp without dying. Shouldn't matter how they get the xp. No need to make it more complicated. Plus trying to tie it to the guardian title and then something like a quest title is bad. And limiting the ability to max it to only people who own all chapters is bad.

poasiods · May 06, 2008, 01:27 AM // 01:27

In response to legion_rat, level 20 requires 140k exp while legendary survivor needs 1,337k exp. Reaching level 20 is a piece of cake for majority of people but getting legendary survivor takes... well, a while if you're going through the storyline.

Ancient Menace, the reason I singled out your post in the first place is because everyone else offered some reasoning as to why changing the way Survivor title works won't be desirable. I threw it out as a suggestion/discussion topic to see what others have to say about it. I don't seriously think it's going to be implanted but wanted to others' opinions regarding the title. What I wasn't expecting is the mass of useless text you threw out, which you're still bent on defending to be a legitimate argument by even going as far as saying your generalization of others are accurate enough to spit out snobby comments.

I suppose in that sense, I'm judging you too from your post, which makes you look like a moron, in my opinion, as do your other posts in this thread.

I personally hate seeing so called 'flame-war' in a thread and really don't feel like continuing this anymore, partially because you're so bent on trying to be as offensive as possible with no real argument. Feel free to call me a whiny bi*** one more time if it makes you feel victorious but I'd rather respond to other people who actually make sense.

Shayne Hawke · May 06, 2008, 01:41 AM // 01:41

As much as I'd like to see it happen, the Survivor title will never change, and I will deliver 100k to the first person that catches me false if it changes so that I can get it on my Ranger that has ~1k deaths.

Reasons why Survivor won't change:

- ANet doesn't care.
- It would become one more title to max for KoaBD which, according to the guide posted on the forum here, would make the titles to achieve for GWAMM a set 30, instead of 29-30 and an optional.
- Most ideas don't take into account people that already have the title in the cheapened method vs. new people gaining the title.
- Because LDoA merely exists. That's a joke of a title how it works. This problem will persist until it can be gained by anyone, which kills the purpose of the title, or until it disappears on leaving pre-Searing, which would be the right thing to do.
- People would probably complain moreso than they do now.
- It's unnecessary for getting GWAMM, which means it can be done without.

There's probably a few others, but the highlight is probably because of conflicts with LDoA. Both titles are set to be exclusive, so until ANet decides to change both at once, neither will be adjusted, or balance won't be served, people will complain, and ANet will lose.

I'm sure they'd rather be lazy than fail.

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Originally Posted by Ancient Menace

Don't feel obliged to post a fix the Survivor title if you don't like the way it's achieved.

I'm sorry, but what the hell kind of statement is that? Why would someone propose a fix to something if they didn't feel it was broken?

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As another little bit, I'll post a search that I did on previous Survivor-related threads. Feel free to browse those on more discussion on this subject. One thread I didn't find in that search, I think, is this one, which I believe discusses an excellent way of fixing Survivor and LDoA with one parallel adjustment to both titles.

You can't see me · May 06, 2008, 02:28 AM // 02:28

Horrible idea is horrible.

The people above me have said a lot to back that up, including that this isn't the idea around survivor, and that people should not have to buy all three campaigns to receive a single title that has no campaign link in the first place.

Oh, and by the way, the survivor title isn't broken. Nor is the way you accomplish it. However, I do think it should be account based.

Lycan Nibbler · May 06, 2008, 03:46 AM // 03:46

I would just like anet to nerf the boxing and hff to stop these being a cheap source of XP and then I wouldnt mind a thing (Waits to duck the flak from the hffers!

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Adding extra requirements to the title isn't an option IMHO - I honestly wonder how many have a char that has completed a chapter without dying... not many Im sure due to the fact that just one lag spike can spell the demise of a char.